Q: There is a delay in my drum overheads. How can I fix it?

Q: There is a delay in my drum overheads. How can I fix it?

My snare drum seems to have a delay in the overheads, which is audible and irritating. What can I do about this problem?

Here is the full question from this RP reader:

"I encountered a problem with my latest attempt to record drums - the snare. More specifically, the snare sounded like it had some delay in it - the time gap between the snare hit from the snare mic and the overheads was several milliseconds, so the delay was audible and irritating. How do I get rid of this? The system latencies can't be blamed (the university's Pro Tools HD 8), it's a question of mic placement - my lack of expertise. I've considered placing the overheads so that they 'hide' behind the cymbals, but then I would lose the toms from the overheads."

There is always the potential for a problem where two microphones pick up the same sound source but from different distances.

Since sound travels around 30 cm (1 foot) in one millisecond, the two waveforms will not be in the same phase, resulting in interference that will boost some frequencies and cut others.

For a drum sound this is made worse by the fact that the initial strike of the drum head is short and sharp. You don't need much of a delay for this transient to be heard twice.

If for instance the snare drum mic is almost touching the drum head, and the overheads are at a height of 1 meter above the snare, then there will be a 3.4 millisecond delay approximately, and frequencies around 170 Hz, 510 Hz and 850 Hz, and others, will cancel.

This problem is at its worst when the two signals are mixed at the same level.

There are two ways of approaching mixing drum overheads...

One is to regard the close mics as the main mics. Balance the close mics as you want them, then blend in the overheads.

The other is to regard the overheads as being the proper sound of the drums, then you would bring in the individual mics to add clarity and body as you wished.

In either case when the close mic signal from the snare is similar in level to the signal in the overheads, then the delay problem will be at its worst.

One thing we have to consider here however is that countless successful drum recordings have been made without anyone worrying about this delay. So perhaps there is another problem. Inserting plug-ins into some signal paths and not into others is a likely cause when automatic delay compensation isn't used.

Another possible cause of the annoyance factor is that you have super-sensitive ears!

But the problem is easily solved...

Simply zoom in on the waveforms and move the overheads earlier in time until they match up with the snare, or until they match all of the close mics as nearly as possible. This technique is worth experimenting with for any type of recording using multiple microphones at different distances from the sound source(s).

Let us know how you get on.

Publication date: Friday December 24, 2010
Author: David Mellor
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Earlier discussion on this topic...

Jesse Miller, Key Largo, USA

If moving tracks is your thing. Consider as Emmo has, slidding the close Mics to the OH's. Maintains DEPTH. If you slide all the close Mics so the "waves" line up. you now have ZERO depth. There was a reason the Masters of the Tracking world utilized room and distant Mics. Depth in the recording. WHY would you line everything up so it sounds like ALL the mics are 2" from the source?
Monday May 02, 2011

Dave, Whitehaven, England

hi, i just purchased the drum recordings made at abby road. when i zoom into the waveforms, i see they are not all exactly in time. though i mixed and compressed them as normal and they sound great. i was wondering about matching the waveforms up exactly, and doing this in all my future recordings or would this be a foolish thing to do.
Monday April 18, 2011

Emmo, Sao Paulo, Brazil

why not moving each close mic to its place on the overheads waveforms?
Monday March 21, 2011